Which would win in a fight? Just kiding but now I have your attention.... which grows biggest? I was under the impression Gargs grow bigger but having just seen some adult cresteds I am thinking either A. I am wrong or B. im gonna need a bigger tank (oh well I will just have to buy something smaller to go in the gargs current tank.)

ps just had a nosey at garg and noticed he has gone pale and feels different (he sits on my hand once a day to eat mush n babie wormies and have a dip in the 'pool'..yummy) think its his first moult (for me) will see come mornin' also is i ok to feed them worms? (pre soaked to get the dirt out) he seems to quite like them dipped in bannana n wriggley!

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Lengthwise, gargs tend to be slightly larger than cresties (up to about 22cm and 20cm respectively). They are also much chunkier, with thicker set bodies overall, so are heavier too (45g - 70g as opposed to 35g - 60g for cresties). In terms of enclosure size, I wouldn't keep an adult garg in anything smaller than a 45cm x 45cm x 60cm viv.

Personally, I wouldn't feed a garg worms, especially if you've caught them yourself, as they may contain parasites or have been exposed to pesticides, both of which could potentially have severe health implications for the gecko. For live food, locusts, roaches or crickets are probably better. I'd also avoid feeding banana too; very small amounts occasionally as a treat are OK, but definitely not on a regular basis (the high levels of potassium they contain can inhibit the absorption of calcium, resulting in health problems such as MBD). If you want to offer your garg fresh fruit, then supplemented mango, melon, kiwi fruit and strawberries are probably the healthier option (I only offer mine fruit as a treat, their staple food is CGD). Also, avoid acidic fruits, such as apples or citrus fruits.

Thanks for letting me know about the bannana (it was only the second time I had given him this so no harm done normally I give apricots because I always buy them and never really eat them) regarding worms.... I have been feeding these to my axolotls for YEARS so there is definatly no pesticides (from the back garden anyway) ......do they really carry mites? Its just for most creatures worms are the holy grail of nutrition and are high in calcium. Would the 20min soak not kill the mites?

regarding size of the vivarium, I did do my reasearch before hand and got the minimum size as when I went to see little garg I thought 6 months old must be nearly fully grown that size will be big enough, now if he gets as big as the cresties my mate has I think that it might be ok but he wont have enough room to 'swing a cat' (feeling a bit guilty I suppose) Though I am sure the cresties were bigger than what you are describing (??)

[Olivine]

It's not only mites that are a potential problem, but also internal parasites. For example, the earthworm is known to represent the intermediate host of a variety of parasites including lungworms (Metastrongyloidea), which can then be transmitted to any animal that eats the earthworm. Given that such parasites are frequently ingested by the earthworm in damp conditions, I'm really not sure that simply soaking the worms for 20 minutes will kill them. (I'm not saying that your garg will contract parasites from eating earthworms, but it definitely represents a potential problem. For that reason, I wouldn't feed wild caught earthworms to my gargs).

In terms of size, yes, I'm afraid that gargs do tend to be larger than cresties (all of the adult gargs I've ever seen have been noticeably larger than adult cresties; generally both longer and chunkier by comparison). Generally speaking, a garg won't reach maturity (and therefore be fully grown) until it's between 12 - 18 months old. If your littlun is only six months or so old, then it will probably still have a considerable amount of growing to do yet (gargs have a tendency to be relatively slow growing until they're about six months or so old, then seem to hit a growth spurt).

ok better safe than sorry no more worms. In regards to CGF the shop I bought garg from didnt recommend it however as garg likes his mush so much and everyone else seems to sware by it I have ordered some from my Local pet shop it will be in tuesday. As he was breed by the shop owner I am guessing he has never had it before how easy is it to get them to eat it to start with? He starts licking his lips when I am around now so I assume it will be easy but tips would be appreciated

thanks again

well I got some konoda (?) food at the beginning of the week he turned his nose up at it I stumbled upon a forum discussion saying that this isnt a popular choice as many turn there nose up at it. With this in mind I bought he t rex version which I must say although it still looks like poo smells nicer. I put some on my finger and little garg promptly licked it of coming back for seconds and thirds, I have put a load in his vivarium and expect it will be gone in the morning Also is it common for these guys to bark at you? (kind of sounds like the croaks baby crocodiles make when hatching) as he kept doing this when my finger ran out of food and I was too slow in 'refuelling' (so I made the time gaps longer so I could hear it more) Gonna try him with fig tomorrow as we have a fig tree in the garden and some of the fruit is looking VERY ripe I read that they love it and it saves it from the local wasps.